I think 12+ is ok with waiver.. below that needs parents to play or at least come

No way Lucas, sorry man, far far too young, thats a liability, and honestly older players become more of babysitters than players at that point.

then what 13? 14?

LucasLynch_TRC wrote:
then what 13? 14?

let's see... you're 14, so this year the min should be 15, but next year we should raise it to 16

Sinister wrote:
LucasLynch_TRC wrote:
then what 13? 14?

let's see... you're 14, so this year the min should be 15, but next year we should raise it to 16

Lucas, heres the thing, this is really an adult sport, technically speaking, you shouldn't even be in posession of these guns under the age of 18. Do we allow minors at the games, yes, but we are very careful, there are safety issues that are of prime importance, we don't need any serious injuries or this sport would be history.

But beyond that, we don't want to babysit, the younger folks that come to our games are typically coming with their parents, fathers in most cases, Monster is 10 but comes with his dad Thor, he takes care of his son there isn't a reason for anyone else to take care of him. We want to come and play, not worry if somone has batteries, bbs or a working gun.

Like all things in life Lucas, sometimes you just have to wait. Feel lucky you can go to the games you can, there are some groups that are FIRM 18+

grifon wrote:
Sinister wrote:
LucasLynch_TRC wrote:
then what 13? 14?

let's see... you're 14, so this year the min should be 15, but next year we should raise it to 16

Lucas, heres the thing, this is really an adult sport, technically speaking, you shouldn't even be in posession of these guns under the age of 18. Do we allow minors at the games, yes, but we are very careful, there are safety issues that are of prime importance, we don't need any serious injuries or this sport would be history.

But beyond that, we don't want to babysit, the younger folks that come to our games are typically coming with their parents, fathers in most cases, Monster is 10 but comes with his dad Thor, he takes care of his son there isn't a reason for anyone else to take care of him. We want to come and play, not worry if somone has batteries, bbs or a working gun.

Like all things in life Lucas, sometimes you just have to wait. Feel lucky you can go to the games you can, there are some groups that are FIRM 18+

well said grifon,

i'm all for having younger guys come out. they are fun to play with. but i don't want to babysit. My 12 year old brother has come out a couple of times, he'll probably come out again this sat. but he will roll with my organized squad and we'll keep an eye on him. but I'm 27 and i'm fully capable of being responsible for him. however at his skill level large events like T2 or Distant Winds are probably to much for him to handle.

Even if you (Lucas Lynch) did make it out to Distant Winds, i highly doubt the people in charge would let you participate without your parents there also, i sure know i wouldn't.

So what is the age limit going to be? It seems that everybody has a different opinion. I wonder if there is ever going to be a consensus.

i think after the warchief is elected, this is at least one of the most important subjects to address immediately.

strip it down to the basic issue. is it gear, maturity level, skill level...etc. no, it's non of these things. i've seen plenty of older players that have little to no gear, some "adults" are not mature at all, some older players are pretty crappy airsofters, and some even have a combination of these qualities.
The problem with age is liability. therefore no one under 18 should be playing without a waiver signed by an adult. i'll even take it one step further and say that when the new WAR-Chief gets put in, anyone under 18 needs to have their parent(s) meet the WAR-Chief, or other NUAC officer, so we know that the kid didn't just sign the waiver themself. once the parent(s) know what is going on for sure, i have no problem with letting kids as young as 10 play. but just like any other player, if they show us they can't handle the responsibility of the game, they should be asked not to return for a set period of time.

All very true Sinister, its a matter of maturity, and it amazes me how some folks have it at age 10 and some not even close at 14

Sinister wrote:
strip it down to the basic issue. is it gear, maturity level, skill level...etc. no, it's non of these things. i've seen plenty of older players that have little to no gear, some "adults" are not mature at all, some older players are pretty crappy airsofters, and some even have a combination of these qualities.
The problem with age is liability. therefore no one under 18 should be playing without a waiver signed by an adult. i'll even take it one step further and say that when the new WAR-Chief gets put in, anyone under 18 needs to have their parent(s) meet the WAR-Chief, or other NUAC officer, so we know that the kid didn't just sign the waiver themself. once the parent(s) know what is going on for sure, i have no problem with letting kids as young as 10 play. but just like any other player, if they show us they can't handle the responsibility of the game, they should be asked not to return for a set period of time.

QFT.

I am of the opinion that some of our youngest airsofters are our best, but just because they are cool doesn't mean their parents are. All it takes is one hyper-sensitive parent to wreck the experience for us--and other groups across the country as well.

If you want people to hate you, be that twenty-something-year-old guy who shoots out a kid's eye. The parents will hate (and sue) you, the police will fine you, the newspapers will write about the incident, and legislators will get the ammo (no pun intended) to shoot down our sport.

Legally speaking, law-makers LOVE outlawing sports like this. Why? Because the vast majority of the public could care less about whether or not we exist. Saving children from dangerous toys is a nice platform that'll get you elected every single time.

Whatever happens after the War Chief get's elected, I want the younger players to know that it is nothing personal. You kids are alright in my book.

In my opinion, whatever we do should be grandfathered into existence. Once Chucky gets the roll-books up to date we'll be able to see who has been with us prior to the new rules going into affect.

In a perfect world, I would say:

18+ = Waiver
>16 = Waiver from parent
<16 = Parent present to play

Hands down, i'm throwing my support behind THOSE rules. Having the WarChief meet up with the 'rents isn't a bad idea either!

I would like to see the possibility of sponsoring a younger person. There is one in particular, Harper (yummytacos) who has been playing with CVA for a year now. His dad has attended and played when able. Harper has always comported himself with maturity and good sportsmanship. I speak for all the adult CVA members when I say that any of us would be willing to sponsor such an outstanding young player.

Parents should know what their kids are doing. I come home with a welt on my neck, and then my mom knew that airsofting can hurt you. I come home with my leg torn up from falling down a hill, and then my mom knew that what we do is dangerous. You have to keep in mind the player's experience. Their experience is directly related to the parent's experience. The longer a teenager plays, the more aware the parent becomes.
Then is liability such a big issue?
Take a serious inventory of a player's maturity, playing skill, and honesty, and that tells you what kind of a player he or she is. Their age doesn't matter.

briboy106: Glad you are playing with us.That is very true and we all need to playsafe.
I do know a few we call 10yr-new guys that are older and are pathetic they may have been playing for a will but you would never know by the way they play and act.

"Bring the player not the age" is what we are saying? I can live with that, we can't control what other groups do for major events, but surely we can be mature enough to look further than the age of the player

i totally agree, though the younger age brings an increased possibilty that they're not up to snuff with airsoft yet. my niece is only 9 years old, but if she liked guns instead of barbies and didn't mind the pain, i think she would be mature enough. you'd think she was alot older than she really is.

In regards to the vote we had at the war-council on Friday evening I'd like to make sure that we had our age policy finalized. Let me make sure this is worded correctly so that it can be written into NUAC's bylaws:

1. ALL PLAYERS MUST SIGN A RELEASE FORM.
2. PLAYERS UNDER AGE 16 MUST BE ACCOMPANIED BY AN ADULT.

This leaves room so that any adult NUAC member can potentially sponsor younger players, yet we can turn away (>16) if needs be. That should keep everyone happy.

Is that correct?

According to the epic meeting notes (Which will be posted once i THINK they're presentable), that is 100 percent correct :)

Thank you Hunter and Funky, I will also update the ruleset to reflect the results of the officers meeting and forward it to you with the appropriate changes. Thank you to everyone who help hash this out both on the forum and at the officers meeting. If anyone has any concerns, comments, or suggestions please feel free to share!